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This section is dedicated on educating people on a diverse array of self-defense tactics and strategies. In no way is there any intent for this information to be used to commit and/or encourage illegal violent activity. This information is made available for educational purposes only.
COMMUNITY DEFENSE PROGRAM
Establishing Police Patrol Units
The only way our communities can stop the continuous brutality, racism, murder and repression by this system is to establish a revolutionary form of self defense within the community. We must organize self-defense units to protect our community and its revolutionary organizations from the state's police forces who are occupying our communities. More ..

The difference between
"Terrorism" and Self-defense.

Terrorism is the act of terrorizing, or state of being terrorized; a mode of government by terror or intimidation. Terrorism is to inflict violence upon inocent civilians as disposable targets. This is by means of offensive physiological or physical force. Terror is used in the formation of compounds which are generally self-explaining: as, terror-fraught, terror-giving, terror-smitten, terror-stricken, terror-struck, and the like.

When someone attacks you, your first reaction is to defend yourself. This is a natural survival instinct. We see it in all living creatures. This is called self-defense.

For example, when police have the authority to continuously brutilize and murder those in your community, this is an act of terrorism. Therefor your community naturally has a right to defend it's self. When authorities try to stop your community from defending it's self, then you have even more of a right to defend yourself.

Let this section educate you on self-defense. This section is not meant to encourage the use of illegal activity, as the information contained here is for educational purposes only.







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Terrorism>?
by Steve ( Sun Aug 25 23:57:54 PDT 2002

What ever happened to Freedom of speach
by Randy Grant ( Wed Aug 28 09:56:03 PDT 2002


by rtf ( Wed Aug 28 22:54:33 PDT 2002 )

I agreee, but I don't support terrorism so why even advocate it. Not making it clear that you don't support terrorism may have people (not necessarly the establishment) thinking you DO support terrorism. You gotta be careful so people don't deface your whole charicter and such. The information here isn't intended for terrorism, nor is it intended for violence. It's merly education on self defense; something I don't believe one can necessarly generalize as "violence".


MY OPINION, YOUR QUESTIONING
by YOUR FRIEND ( Mon Sep 2 00:36:33 PDT 2002 )
Location: EAST LOS ANGELES

WHY SHOULD WE USE ARMED TACTICS TO OVERTURN THE AUTHORITARIANS. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT WE SHOULD STOP AGRRESSIVENESS AND USE CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE? LOOK AT MOHATMA GANDHI FOR INSTANCE, DID HE OR DID HE NOT GET HIS PIONT ACROSS BY USING NON-VIOLENT, PEACEFUL ACTS OR PROTEST TO GET HIS PIONT ACROSS TO ALLTHE THE BRITISH EMPIRE.


...and look at the wonderful state of India now...
by ( Mon Sep 2 16:05:43 PDT 2002 )

lol...



by rtf ( Mon Sep 2 21:08:54 PDT 2002 )

Ghandi's beliefs were great, but as a strategy for revolution, way too defeatist and counterproductive in my opinion. Pacifism is exactly what this system wants. A community incapable of defending it's self from the brutality of the state. Freedom isn't something you ask the oppressor for. It's something you take, because it's yours. When someone takes something away from you that belongs to you, do you take it back? Hell yes. If you value your peace so much then why do you let this system take it away from you? And you can't say the system hasn't taken away your peace because how do you live in peace with so much of this systems war and violence all around you? One who values their peace won't hesitate to defend it by any means necessary. The worker can't get justice by simply crossing his or her arms. Do that and you get shot by the state. A pure example is Bush threatening to send in the army because of the unions almost on strike at the ports in Wilmington, CA. If one truly speaks of solidarity, than one wouldn't cross their arms when a fellow comrade gets gunned down, and oppressed by this system. An injury to one is an injury to all.


Practice Guerila Warefare
by ...... ( Tue Sep 3 10:43:59 PDT 2002 )

A good way to simulate armed warfare is to go paintballing. although it could be expensive ,just rob a pawnshop in the middle of the night. Get the gun then the CO2 and balls and go hunt each other. go out in your city at night thats always fun. But it is good practice for the day soon coming.



by rtf ( Tue Sep 3 20:44:38 PDT 2002 )

I used to go paintballing all the time. It's great exercise. It can be an expensive thing tho if you're all into the big guns, armor wear and all that other bullshit. Paintballs are fairly easy to get nowadays for cheap, the only thing you have to worry bout besides that is a gun, and saftey goggles/mask. The cheaper the gun the better. Forces you to work them lower muscles cus you'll be running like a chicken from all the rich boys shooting you with their automatics.


Skip paintball...
by angela davis ( Tue Sep 10 16:53:33 PDT 2002 )

paintball is ok but you should check out airsoft games for a closer approximation to police/military close quarters combat tactics and weapons. Airsoft is a bit priceyer to get into but I have found most arsofters to be excessively generous with lending gear etc


^exactly
by eco ( Tue Sep 10 22:24:00 PDT 2002 )

Airsoft is much better for tactical simulation. Get yourself a gun, some equipment, and some MOUT manuals and have fun.


pacifism sucks / real guns
by lee ( Wed Sep 11 20:06:11 PDT 2002

Tactical Forum
by Justin ( Thu Sep 12 00:39:48 PDT 2002

re: tactical forum
by angela davis ( Thu Sep 12 20:11:26 PDT 2002 )

In addition to starting a tactics forum here people may want to check out some of the very good self defense/ mil tactic resources on usenet (check out the archives on google) much of it coming from military and law enforcement personel. If you adopt 'a don't ask don't tell' policy w yr politics most people will be eager to answer questions. Even if you just lurk, you can find good info on all sorts of stuff (ammo, guns, body armor, sniping, police tactics, etc)


whither tactical forums on usenet?
by nihraguk ( Sat Sep 14 07:32:07 PDT 2002 )

could you give examples of USEnet newsgroups which discuss military/police tactics and so on?


re: whither
by angela davis ( Sat Sep 14 08:51:23 PDT 2002 )

check http://groups.google.com/ for the archives - main groups for this type of stuff are misc.survivalism, rec.guns, alt.survival and sci.military - also there are tons of police/survivalist/gun enthusiast training videos for sale on this type of stuff perhaps we could get industrious and organize a video share thing



by Whaddaup ( Sun Sep 15 21:48:48 PDT 2002 )

I think the website creator trying not to get arrested again. That is why he has all the disclaimers. The government is on a frenzy with arresting people that talk bad about them.


Unknown Stance
by Bruce Lee ( Mon Sep 16 18:13:17 PDT 2002


by rtf ( Tue Sep 17 01:40:21 PDT 2002 )

hmm, i don't know if I can completly agree with your anology. Disallowing a small group of people who are brutaly attacking you doesn't seem like terrorism. Those few people have the freedom to oppress the majority each and every day. Their "rights" means others have none. If the oppressed arm them selves and take an offensive defensive against the oligarchic power in place, that's self-defense. Not necessarly terrorism. It's terrorism when you strike terror into inocent civilians as disposable targets. It's self defense when you respond to another who is attacking you in a way that counters his attack.


.....
by Rouge ( Fri Sep 20 10:02:42 PDT 2002 )

I read the explosives and weapon information this page used to have, it showes one thing. They hunted you down due to the politics, not the information. The informations was the same you find when you type in the word "bomb" in your search engine. You end up with one million kewl sites telling you how to make "ExPloSIVEZZ"(basicly worthless and/or dangerous information)! Many written by people who claim to be anarchists. It's also interesting to see documents such as the "minimal urban guerilla". How well does that fit with anarchist priciples? But I'm not expecting anything.



by RRR ( Wed Oct 23 06:00:15 PDT 2002 )

What is airsoft? What sort of ammo do you use? how is it differant to paintball?


airsoft
by angela davis ( Wed Oct 23 16:21:31 PDT 2002 )

airsoft uses size and weight accurate replica weapons to shoot small(6mm) plastic bbs full auto at around 350-450 fps(ouch) - (checkout www.airsoftzone.com for the general feel). Unfortunately airsoft guns can be expensive ($200-$400+) however on the up side the ammo is very cheap. I think airsoft gives a better feel of a tactical simulation than paintball and airsoft players are usually way more interested in learning/teaching CQB tactics than are their pb counterparts. Airsoft is a great way to learn a lot of tactical basics and have some fun. That being said I think airsoft comes up short in at least two areas; one as I have mentioned is price is one factor(you could buy a used real ar-15 knock off for less than some of the upper end airsoft guns) and second if trying to simulate anything other than CQB it makes for fairly unrealistic inital engagement ranges. (ie airsoft is only accurate to 30-50 yards while real combat engagement is typically 6 times that.


To all who wish to fight with fists instead of love
by hippy punk fucker ( Sat Oct 26 04:05:01 PDT 2002

Rest in Peace
by Angela Davis ( Sat Oct 26 14:02:09 PDT 2002 )

“peace comes to peaceful people” Oh you mean people like East Timorese, Moriori, Taino and Arawak? That kind of peace seems fatal.



by rtf ( Sun Oct 27 02:38:58 PST 2002 )

"Peace comes to peaceful people."

Tell that to the young Iraqi children who live under a rain of U.S bombs. Tell that to the young black youth in america who are always gunned down by pigs as if they're used for target practice.

If you value your peace so much, then why do you let someone take it away from you so easily? By not defending yourself. That's why.


the time soon coming
by Arcadius ( Tue Nov 12 08:21:46 PST 2002

defensive noises
by meis retarded ( Sat Nov 23 19:50:48 PST 2002 )

Of all the warning sounds that animals make, I think the one that's the least effective on me is a kind of clicking noise.


How about....
by graeme r. ( Sat Nov 23 21:46:21 PST 2002 )

Ghandi deserves more credit. Sure self-defense is great, but the police-type are already eager to beat down activists who have no weapons...think of the joy they'll have reacting to a group who are defending themselves whilst yielding weapons. Look at Tianamen Square. Yes, the military killed innocent people, but this only escalated after they got a reaction from the masses. But it gave those who survived greater heart for their cause. Why do you think Israel and the US are so scared of killing Arafat? Because he himself has not gone out in arms against them, and they don't want to give reason for more bombers in the mideast. My hat is off to Ghandi and MLK, and the peaceful demonstrations they stood for.



by rtf ( Mon Nov 25 07:50:45 PST 2002 )

"think of the joy they'll have reacting to a group who are defending themselves whilst yielding weapons."

Think of the joy you'll have getting cracked upside the head with a baton. Remember what Malcolm X said? "We are non-violent with people who are non-violent with us, however we are not non-violent with people who are violent with us" and "it is criminal to teach a man not to defend himself when he is the constant victim of brutal attacks". If you value your peace so much, then why do you let it be taken away from you so easily? To me, if someone valued their peace, they would defend it by any means necessary, not sit there and let it get beaten out of them.


Peace.
by Genevieve O`Conil ( Thu Dec 12 15:48:12 PST 2002 )

"Revolutions are never based upon love-your-enemy and pray-for-those-who-spitefully-use-you. And revolutions are never waged singing 'We Shall Overcome.'...Revolutions are never based upon that which is begging a corrupt system to accept us into it. Revolutions overturn systems." Another quote from Malcom X.



by digger ( Fri Dec 13 04:39:49 PST 2002 )

will people stop quoting niggers like Malcolm X please? And I've noticed their are FAR to many pictures of niggers, spics, and gooks on this website. You know why those people are always shooting at each other over in those countries because they are FUCKING RETARDED!!! Here in the states we don't put up with that shit... You all talk about how bad it fucking is here, and yet your on a FUCKING COMPUTER TYPING WHATEVER YOU FUCKING WANT ON A WEBSITE ABOUT DESTROYING THE GOVERNMENT!!! Ok, how ironic is that? To be denouncing an elected government of the people for the people that allows you to write fucked up shit like this, and should you get harrassed for writing this shit the problem lies not with the government as a whole but some fucking asshole who thinks that the BIll of Rights is something he can wipe his ass with, thats why you appeal shit and if you don't act like a retard in court the judge will MOST likely side with you. If not the problem is that you live in a fucked up part of the country and thats your problem


freedom?
by subversive incognito ( Sun Dec 15 20:42:29 PST 2002 )

i do not agree with digger's racist remarks, however i hear some of what he's saying...you crazy anarchists can't have the best of both worlds. you claim your actions under the 1st Amendement, but if it weren't for the government, you would have no 1st Amendement to go crying to. so all your crazy acts of flag burning and hating government and police is a bunch of propaganda-style, hypocritical garbage. and don't give me any "using the system to beat it" crap, cuz that's what it is. if you don't like it, stop trying to use it-in all things. And where do you think the Internet came from? the very people you hate...so stop using the system to parade about in your glossy colors of pointless rage. and if you are going to reply by calling me a fascist or commie or brainwashed nationalist amidst your treasured expletives...i've read it all before. it's time you anarchists found some new lines, because sadly your movement is mainly composed of smalltime, wannabe's who like the look of the anarchist symbol and happened to pick up a few swear words on the way...


uhhh, NO, you obviously HAVE NOT read it all before...
by ( Wed Dec 18 21:02:32 PST 2002 )

...or you would not be making such a downright stupid comment as "well, duuuh, if there was no government, der would be no first amendment." By making that claim, you (by proxy) assume anarchists are not capable of supporting free speech themselves, and thus look like a complete idiot (which if you were, would not be surprising).

The trolls drop a few IQ points every day, I swear...


The article about Self-Defense n Terrorism
by Xavier ( Fri Dec 20 05:47:15 PST 2002 )

yeh TERRORISTS AND COPS ARE THE SAME THING EXCEPT the cops have something the Terrorists do not have..... UNIFORMS..


try it...
by bleh ( Fri Dec 20 20:28:11 PST 2002 )

All you pussys can do it light a car on fire and build a plastic shield to just be ran away when they beanbag your ass.


Organize
by Comrade Chairman Polese ( Mon Dec 30 19:06:19 PST 2002

Consumerist Power Used to Crumble the System!
by Effective peaceful action WILL work ( Mon Dec 30 20:10:41 PST 2002

True, However...
by Comrade Chairman Polese ( Tue Dec 31 05:52:24 PST 2002

Grinding to a halt
by Projekt ( Wed Jan 1 19:38:02 PST 2003 )
Location: Upstate NY

Indeed, the system can be brought to a standstill. It is, unfortunately, very hard to do this on a national or international level which would be needed to eliminate the viability of those powers that depend on the cash flow. The trouble is not the products; the trouble is actually the cash. So long as we trade there will be an adversarial relationship between buyer and seller. I find trade to be inherently violent. Unfortunately, there is a problem. How does one get his hands on what he needs without trade? I think some obvious answers have been obscured by our environment. The most important way is to make what you need. Another way is to receive it as a gift. I suppose a big problem with any action is commitment. After all, here I am about to suggest something to do but I'm not a living example. Oh well. Here it is anyway. Ask yourself this: Among the things that I need, what can I make? Some things are bigger than one person can do, so I might ask a friend if he also needs it. Then we can work on it together. There should be a large class of needs that can be easily met using this method. Time left over can be spent doing more interesting things. Many people do things just for the experience of having done them. Those things, even when they are one-offs like paintings, are inherently good gifts. Sometimes in the creation of one thing it's not much more costly to make three. Or thirty. The surplus also makes good gifts. Sometimes I see that someone could use something and does not have it. I may be interested in making that thing. I could give it to him when I'm done. By working in the gift economy, you begin to drop out of the cash economy. Your labor goes untaxed, your purchases go untaxed, there is no such thing as profit, and all benefit goes to people you care about: yourself and your recipients. I'm not sure the cash economy would go away, but it could possibly get a lot smaller in comparison to the gifts. I think this answers the tough question about boycotts. It's usually, "if I boycott everything, how will I ever survive?" The answer is just to move your effort from one place to the other.


Nonviolent revolution
by Donut Master ( Sun Jan 5 17:32:50 PST 2003 )

I agree with what has been said about using noncooperation to grind the system to a halt. The government can imprison us, beat us, and roll us over with tanks - but then they will have our dead bodies, not our cooperation... and unfortunately for them, the entire capitalist system requires the cooperation of the workers. If we resist long enough using peaceful means we CAN bring about change, and the ruling class will be brought to it's knees. All we need is large numbers of people. Strikes, boycotts, sit-ins, and other forms of nonviolent resistence have all been effective in the past. Sure, sometimes it fails, but the same thing goes for violent revolution. Nothing works 100%. ----------------------------------------- Secondly let me explain the difference between pacifism and nonviolent resistence. Pacifism is often associated with a "lack of resistence". In this sense, nonviolent resisters are by no means pacifists. They are soldiers in their own right, fighting for a cause, and they are so brave that they don't even need guns to fight. All they need is strength and solidarity. One major advantage of not using weapons is that when the other side DOES use violence, it will draw much negetive attention to them and only increase support for the nonviolent movement. On the contrary, freedom fighters who use violtn means to attain their goals are often given a very negetive image - whether or not this is deserved I will not debate now, but the fact is that revolutionary movements require a lot of support, and the best way to get that support is to show the world that you're better than the oppressors. ------------------------------------------ One final idea that is important for all of you to consider... the means become the end. Obtain your independance through violence, and you are likely to become violent afterwards. You can't use the same methods the terrorists use to fight terrorism. I respect the principles RTF fights for, I just don't agree with the way it fights.


DONT JOIN THE MILITARY
by - ( Tue Jan 7 08:22:05 PST 2003

DONT JOIN THE MILITARY
by - ( Tue Jan 7 08:22:07 PST 2003

war
by mailman ( Sat Jan 11 03:17:42 PST 2003

Philosophy, not practicing? Communism/Kapitalism
by Mark Metzelaar ( Mon Jan 13 21:55:02 PST 2003

SUPPORT TYRANNY
by FistRaiser ( Wed Jan 22 17:08:26 PST 2003 )

NO WAR WITH IRAQ!!!! SUPPORT MURDEROUS REGIEMS!!!! PRESERVE IRAQS FREEDOM SO SADDAM MAY KILL MORE OF HIS CITIZENS!!!!


nonviolence works if the revolution is worth a shit
by Chumley ( Wed Jan 29 15:03:05 PST 2003 )

Nonviolence is working in Argentina, and it worked in Chile. Armed struggle sows the seeds of authoritarianism and demands a concentration of power to keep the cover on the pot. Noncompliance works best. What are they going to do? Kill everyone? If violence is required, then you don't have enough support for a viable revolution.


Peace
by Uncivil D. ( Sat Feb 1 11:31:11 PST 2003 )

"If you want peace, fall to your knees, lick their boots, and grovel like a whipped cur."


Utilise what you can
by =w= ( Wed Feb 5 08:45:24 PST 2003

Fredrick Douglass said it best
by nike chiapas ( Sun Feb 9 11:04:04 PST 2003

any undercover cop there?
by maria ( Mon Feb 17 11:19:07 PST 2003

Practice making weapons!
by ruzz ( Mon Feb 17 11:21:36 PST 2003 )

When the gov. cracks down, it will have had the guns/weapons out of people hands for a long time. The only place you'll likely get them is the black market. And they will be pricey/junky. I can make bows and arrows and possibly exploding arrows. Pathetic? Yes but with nothing but scratch lest see you do better. I can split water with a car battery charger (electrolysis) and will soon be making guns. I can assure you they will be alot bigger then .50 cal. Contrarily, make friends with dealers, maybe they will lower the price for ya. See the Bible O' All for lotsa more goodies to make.


Cheap
by Bubba ( Tue Feb 18 14:52:48 PST 2003

rights?
by david ( Wed Feb 19 19:29:52 PST 2003

militares boludos
by latinO ( Sat Feb 22 08:53:58 PST 2003 )

los que cagan todo son los boludos que van al servicio militar, sin militares no habria guerra porque el hijo de puta de bush no tendria con que carajo bardear a los otros. aguante la paz y abajo a los politicos de todo el mundo, ah, una cosa mas, aprovecho para escribir que Menem es un recojido puto mal parido de mierda que nos va a vender a bush o a cualquier otro politico yanqui. chau.!


defence against horses
by peacie ( Sat Feb 22 14:24:58 PST 2003 )
Location: NY

I'm for peace -- but when police charge innocent people some perimiter of defence is needed! On F15 in Times Square I'm proud to report thet police shoving a group in unison were totally turned back when our group, acting together, shoved right back! Working together (Like getting a car out of mud) does wonders against police tactics!


Promote violence
by Tobias ( Sat Feb 22 14:41:30 PST 2003 )

And u do what they want you to do (and Im certain they love that you attack them, giving excuse for them to not only attack you, but also people that has not used violence, making it near impossible to have a demonstration without massive resistance from the police who only have to point to those occations when silly violent "anarchists"--- for violence is another way of ruling--- used violence to show "resistance"), standing in line playing their game, degrading yourself to their level. Hiding the true struggle, the healing of the emphathy of humans, the struggle to change the minds of all into never accepting violence as means of solving problems. This does not mean I feel its bad to blow up their buildings while no creature is in them, by all means, lets attack their possessions!


subversive incognito
by John ( Tue Feb 25 15:38:23 PST 2003 )

" you claim your actions under the 1st Amendement, but if it weren't for the government, you would have no 1st Amendement to go crying to."-subversive incognito (above). I think Propagandhi said it very well: "and yes, i recognize the irony that the very system i oppose affords me the luxury of biting the hand that feeds. but that's exactly why priviledged fucks like me should feel obliged to whine and kick and scream- until everyone has everything they need."



by Justin Wootton ( Sat Mar 1 02:45:22 PST 2003 )

I think the stance should be a aggressive pacifist stance. We as smart people are beyond blowing each other up. If someone was going to shoot me id accept my fate rather than fight back, unless of course i felt my business as myself had not finished yet. I think we should all take a aggressive pacifist stance, a example of this is the human sheild effort in iraq. It would be stupid just to be suicidal and just get all ourselves killed ofcourse. But just think how powerful a huge amount of angry stubborn pacifists would be, just continuely marching slowly till they get thier way. If everyone agaist the war totaly boycotted the country if it went to war, they would have to stop the war. If everyone agaist the war went and became human shields in iraq, if they didn't end up stoping the war they would gain a heap of support to stop it, and gain alot of attenction to the movement. Pacifism is a struggle, but it always wins. Where as a violent struggle can win, but often seems the easier answer.


Actually it's freedom of *speech*, and it's not absolute.
by James Dillon ( Mon Mar 24 04:26:57 PST 2003


by XErikX ( Sat Mar 29 16:59:31 PST 2003 )

The FBI is so watching this site, and that makes me happy.


please rise up
by sgt Knuckles ( Wed May 14 20:35:58 PDT 2003 )

Please rise up you assholes I spent 3 years training on active duty army in the 101st abn div now I am in the national guard so I will be there to smack you down. Do you dumbasses really belive that a rubber innertube will stop a bullet. Do you think for one second that you and your few thousand disorginized and incompetently led (what the chain ofcommand for an anarchist army) fools are any match for the millions of highly trained soldiers and policemen. bring the revolution to the streets please...my troops will be there waiting rifles in hand Ohio national guard...4 Kent State............0 Yellow Springs OH.....Antioch College, we have our eyes on you...hell we are just down the street : ) Sgt. Knuckles

Screw the System Lovers
by Anarchist ( Fri May 23 03:02:14 PDT 2003 )

To sgt. Knuckles, fuck you, you ruthless murder and baby killer. That is what you are, a ruthless, cold blooded, unstable, Rambo-esque murderer who would love to obliterate an entire village in some country like Nicaragua. Why do you think the System is so great? They are the real terrorists, a bunch of murderers and baby killers. You think people like McVeigh and bin Laden have killed alot? Nowhere near as much as your precious government. Here's the numbers: hundreds at Waco, thousands in the World Trade Center, tens of thousands in Nicaragua, hundreds of thousands in Iraq, millions in Japan, Germany and Vietnam.


yup
by bob norman fischer ( Fri May 23 03:27:57 PDT 2003

Non-violent Revolution
by Anarchist ( Sat May 24 18:26:34 PDT 2003 )

I have said it before, and I will say it again. The key to destroying the System is simple: non violent revolution. Just imagine: if everyone refused to pay taxes, what would happen? The System would collapse faster than a house of cards in a hurricane. That army guy does have a point: we don't stand a chance against the System's vast forces of evil. They have a dozen aircraft carriers, hordes of missile armed cruisers, destroyers, and frigates, M-1 and M1-A1 tanks, thousands of jet fighters and bombers, every huge gun imaginable, and millions of adrenaline crazed murderers who have but one purpose: keep the System going via force and coercion. If we choose the path of non-violence, then we take all their ships, planes, tanks, guns and bloodthirsty soldiers and cops out of the picture. The key is, to get enough people on our side, and have them simply disobey the System (not go to school, not pay taxes, dodge the draft), and then the System will collapse and be destroyed. The System doesn't have enough bombs, tanks and bullets to subdue millions (unless the System would use weapons of mass destruction).


anarchist is right
by bob norman fischer ( Tue May 27 04:09:04 PDT 2003

To anarchist
by Sgt. Knuckles ( Wed May 28 21:53:14 PDT 2003 )

All I gotta say is who has the guns.... Sgt. Knuckles ps I am suprised that no one from Yellow Springs OH has had a retort for me I know you are here


Re: Sgt. Knuckles
by Anarchist ( Fri May 30 22:23:33 PDT 2003 )

I am well aware of the fact that the System has all of the big guns, gargantuan naval ships, powerful tanks and speedy jet fighters. In theory, a non violent revolution would eliminate all of your previous aircraft carriers, tanks and machine guns from the picture. In theory, the System can be destroyed without firing a single shot. Just imagine: if nobody would pay their taxes, or no kids would go to school, the System would crumble in days. The Evil Establishment can , practically speaking, only crumble via non violence. Non violent methods are the System's Achille's Heel; the System's lifeblood is force, coercion, and the slaughter of innocents everywhere, from the native Americans in the 17th century, to the 9/11/2001 victims and Murrah Federal Building victims in the last decade. Aside from France under Napolean, Germany under Hitler and Japan under Tojo, nearly all the greatest empires of history have crumbled from the inside, and several have somewhat peacefully. The Roman Empire collapsed on itself, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics collapsed on itself, the empire of Genghis Khan crumbled from the inside, the Ottoman Empire and Hapsburg Empire also were brought down from internal difficulty. Still, I would be the least bit surprised if large-scale unarmed resistance to the System would be met with bombs and bullets by the System's dedicated evildoers. To Sgt. Knuckles, I would be the least bit surprised if you were to mow down a group of ten year old children who staged non violent anarchist action by simply refusing to go to school. Sgt. Knuckles, you are nothing but a ruthless, cold blooded murderer and a man who wants to commit wanton atrocities. Sgt. Knuckles, when are you going to learn that killing people just simply isn't right?


Who Gives a Fuck
by Sgt. Knuckles ( Wed Jun 4 17:54:50 PDT 2003 )

Who gives a fuck if 10 year olds don't go to school that is there own god damn fault. If that is your "Road Map to Anarchy" you got a long way to go. Too bad though I was really looking forward to squashing your "uprising" and kiling you in mass numbers when you took to the streets. Oh well I guess I will get my kicks when we go to Kosovo or Iraq for peace keeping. Sgt. Knuckles

Re: Sgt. Knuckles
by Anarchist ( Thu Jun 5 02:17:52 PDT 2003 )

Oh my God, here he comes, the ruthless killer also known as Sarge Knuckles. Hey Sarge, burn down any good Central American villages lately? Nonviolence will always trump violence. Ever hear of Martin Luther King Jr, Henry David Thoreau, Mahatmas Gandhi? Probably not, because everything you want to achieve is by violence. Every one of them achieved their goals via non violent revolution. I am certain that there were ruthless men like you opposing every one of them. Sarge Knuckles, I will let you up on a little secret. The System will collapse via nonviolence. I can not say when it will happen, but it WILL happen SOMEDAY. It may be five years from now, twenty years from now, or a thousand years after both of us are dead, but the System will fail. Nothing can last forever, and the System is no exception. I doubt that the System will even live to see the 22nd Century. The nonviolent anarchist/anti-globilization/anti-capitalist/anti-System movement is growing. You are too stupid to realize this, because you would believe that 2+2=5 if the System told you so. You are nothing but a cold blooded, programmed murderer. And by the way Sarge, why don't you check out what I had to say about your beloved Pentagon and the like minded thugs inside it by clicking on the link you put in your last comment.


rEmEmBeR this
by Anarchist ( Sat Jun 14 23:43:35 PDT 2003

gahndi is for lexus liberals afraid of a broken nose
by disco anarchy ( Wed Jun 18 10:10:09 PDT 2003

Nonviolence is for EVERYONE
by Freedom writer ( Wed Jul 2 21:27:58 PDT 2003 )

NONVIOLENCE IS NOT PACIFISM. Let's clear this up right now. I respect pacifists, and I respect those militants who believe a gun is more handy than a pen. However, before we start mowing people over (and getting mowed) let us examine all of the tools available to us. Nonviolence means noncooperation when possible, and resistance when necessary. TO the person who labeled nonviolence for "lexus liberals," let me tell you I have lived proudly in the working class my entire life. Don't lecture me. Afraid of a bloody nose? Are you kidding? Would our brothers in Haymarket Square have called that a 'bloody nose?' NONVIOLENCE IS FOR ALL PEOPLE. In an armed, central revolt, we rely on many brave people and brave leaders. So in armed revolution, after the leaders have all been killed off, the revolution is directionless. What happened to Comandante Guevara in Bolivia? His death crushed the revolution. We need to face the facts; first, our movement relies on some braves, and on many not-so-braves as well. Our liberation is too precious to fight through arms. The beauty of nonviolence is that it is decentralized; there is no clear figurehead and everyone can do it together at once. Don't bullshit me about nonviolence being what the system wants. We use violence and we alienate ourselves and marginalize ourselves for precious decades. Nonviolence doesn't require MONEY to purchase GUNS or need GOOD AIM WITH A GUN. Everyone is automatically an expert in nonviolence. Best of all, MORE OF US STAY ALIVE TO REBUILD WHEN THE ENGINES GRIND TO A HALT. Comrades, let's stop kidding ourselves and evolve! Like our comrade Anarchist so eloquently stated, if we stopped all at once, we could blow the machinery to bits overnight. Our struggle will be the enlistment of the working and the poor through civil society. Let's get started. Brothers who support violence, I respect your position and your passion. But no gun can destroy nonviolence when nonviolence is everywhere at once. UNITE.


Nonviolence is a tactic
by Manny ( Tue Jul 8 07:09:17 PDT 2003 )

I've read somewhere that if Gandi had to deal with Hitler and used nonviolence he would now be a lamp shade. On the other hand the Black Panthers, after taking up arms, were quickly crushed. Maybe the most important battle is that over ideas, to be reinforced and supported by local organizing.


power
by Rowen ( Mon Jul 14 08:21:37 PDT 2003


by demonologist ( Thu Jul 31 00:44:49 PDT 2003 )

Here's some advice from a practicing professional who happens to be on the other side: 1) There is nothing wrong with acquiring useful skills. There is plenty wrong with pre-planning how you intend to use them to break the law. Violence is rarely a useful skill, even for the pros. Knowing how to tail someone and detect a tail, on the other hand, is extremely useful -- and mostly legal. 2) If you truly are in a position where the police are out to get you, you need to set up effective overlapping surveillance. This is a political op run along tactical lines. Cameras are your most effective tool. Know the law and what you can and cannot do. Realize that when you skirt the edges of the law, there is nothing preventing the police from breaking the law . . . be far from the line for maximum safety. 3) I am amazed at the lack of discipline and ignorance of basic security and counterintelligence principles. Discipline means that once you pick a leader, you follow orders. Security means shut the fuck up and use passive and active disinformation to protect your movements. Counterintelligence means that you background-check every person you let inside a trust boundary. Just because they're a good fuck doesn't mean you should trust them. *big grin* . . . this job has its perks. 4) There are no shortcuts and no excuses. If you play this way, you need to keep your plans ready, your gear well maintained, and not cut any corners. Pros drive 55 on the freeway and beat the #&@! out of anyone who carrys drugs or literature on an op, or weapons without command authorization. 5) I am confident that these tips will not help y'all because you're not willing to put in the hard, boring work necessary to master the skills and techniques needed -- and most of the books have "holes" planted in them that require hard thinking to get around. 6) I'm writing this because I'm interested in keeping a few loonie-bin types from justifying a further government crackdown on the people who are truly seeking liberty. Talking violent shit to pump up your fragile ego is one thing. If you see someone planning something that'll hurt or kill people, TAKE THEM OUT. I once dumped a guy in front of Parker Center with his arms and legs duct-taped together and an envelope containing his incredibly fucking stupid plans taped to the small of his back. :)



by Nate ( Wed Aug 13 21:46:00 PDT 2003 )

It should be fairly obvious this is not a violence or terrorism promoting tool. I doubt anyone sane anarchist or not pro terror. If anyone finds a site that promotes terror other than anything .gov let me know.


stop
by someone ( Thu Aug 14 10:23:59 PDT 2003 )

stop relying on other people to think for you. it's great that everyone knows what Malcolm X, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King have said, but don't use their thoughts as a crutch. Learn to walk on your own. Think for yourselves, only through right thought and right action can you actually achieve anything. These prophets did not require someone to teach them, it was that unyielding desire to change things. Don't forget what our common bond is!


Bring Down the System....and then what?
by observer ( Thu Aug 14 19:20:04 PDT 2003 )

I find the discussions here very interesting. Not that I agree with very many of the views but in that so many of you wish to "Bring Down the System"! What I do not see here is what would happen after the system comes down. First of all I have had family members roughed up by police. Now seriously imagine if there were no police or military. Without fear of being arrested what keeps anyone from killing you and taking what you have and abusing your family, nothing. Now I know everyones first response is we'll get guns and shoot them first. So where do you go when you run out of food,ammo,water... You can't go to the store, there will be none to go to. Now most of you seem to be primarily anti US. Now, do you realy think that if the US government fell today that countries like North Korea or China would just come over here and give all you guys a big hug and say nice job comrade. Wrong, they would be to busy exterminating any one they saw as a threat and then stand on the throat of the remainder of the population. Research the history of the Viet Cong, the last group to declair a victory over the US. During the last part of the war the Hanoi government deliberatly sacrificed and destroyed the Viet Cong as a fighting force so that they would not be able to stop Hanoi from exeuting on its plans of oppression. The US is not the problem, the same issues of government corruption and greed have existed since mankind organized into the first small tribes. If anything the US government with all of its flaws is about as close to a fair system as has ever existed. As for the unequal treatment among races guess what its not really about race its about POWER. I am originaly from West Virginia (insert redneck joke here), an area with a poor economy and not much ethinc diversity. Since there are very few black folks to beat up the bad cops beat on the white people. And the White people who have money and power oppress those who don't. If you want some examples of people forced to fight the system read up on the formation of the coal mine unions(UMWA). There you had a system where the workers were not paid US currency. They were paid in what is known as "script" which is money printed by the company and is only good at stores owned by the company which charged higher prices. The houses the miners lived in were owned by the company. So if you caused any problems or disagreed with company policy you were evicted, and charged a fee for the eviction. The miners did at times have to fight and sometimes die but generaly it was when they were attacked. Most of their gains were made by nonviolent methods and using the legal system to improve the sytem. When the laws did not function properly they worked to form new ones. The sad part of the story is that once organized and empowered, the union itself had to struggle to keep corruption out of its ranks, POWER corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutly. Maybe all of this does not appeal to those of you who seek some percieved glory you hope to find in confrontation, but ask yourself what really happens if we win.


RE: All the talk about pacifism
by VolodyA! V Anarhist ( Thu Aug 14 23:58:13 PDT 2003

To attack shows a lack of control.
by strop ( Sat Aug 16 12:25:21 PDT 2003 )

I am in favor of living a life that I enjoy and find full filling. That happens on my terms. I share that life with others I wish to. Self defence is a good. Awareness seems to be the first part of that, of self and others. It would be best I think to stay the f out of a confrontation. For the most part conflict is a waste of time and resources. Through conflict you become defined more than you may wish to be. Closed mindedness is in the long run a fatal condition, a little bit more than any other we experience, but more so any way. Essenstialy, you are going to die any way and the living is what counts. Do so in a manner that suits you and let others do so also. If you have your head up and your eyes open most shit storms can be avoided. There will always be a shit storm. There will always be some one who has "got it right" and is willing to fuck everyone else over for the sake of the truth. The truth is not a thing that sits still very long. Fuck yes, raise the fist. Raise a garden too. Appreciate ecology of a working system before marching off to tear down a broken on.


Steal This Book
by DantetheClerk ( Sun Aug 17 01:53:29 PDT 2003 )

I suggest everyone go onto google and put in "Abbie Hoffman,Steal this Book". You can read the book over the internet. Its a bit dated (60's) but it deals with street fighting, and none the less its a good read.


What happen to Freedom of Speech
by the_morningstar ( Mon Aug 25 13:32:25 PDT 2003


by jihad ( Mon Sep 1 20:35:31 PDT 2003 )


Interesting Site
by Systemic_Bottom_Dweller ( Tue Sep 2 16:58:38 PDT 2003 )

I just came across this site (where have I been?) and read all the posts under "Self-Defense". At the end, I've added a few points on self-defense based on my experience. I particularly liked "Consumerist Power Used to Crumble the System!". This person is a thinker and seeker. Keep working the problem! I appreciated "Nonviolent revolution" by Donut Master. After years of studying, training, and implementing violence, I've come to view "non-violent" action as a possibly superior strategy. Only problem is, you have to be willing. And few people have the courage and obstinate stubborn belief required. Ignore "sgt Knuckes". S/he is fake and just getting off on seeing what names you can come up with. If this person is really in a military unit, s/he isn't considered much of a soldier by peers. I liked the input by demonologist. Points out some weaknesses, but what do you become after adopting the cure? "Bring Down the System ... and then what? by observer has an interesting point. Maybe that's a good case for non-violent action. Seems to me that you have to plan, act, succeed almost perfectly for a violent overthrow -- and even then it will take years of suppressive violence to get everybody in line. Might want to look at what happened to the Anarchists after the Russian Revolution. With non-violent action you might be stuck with incremental movement toward your objective, but you also tend to be shielded from catastrophic change for the worse. It seems that for Anarchism (or whatever you call pure Freedom) to work, a consensual majority must believe and practice it. A violent over-throw implies that at least a significant minority vehemently oppose. I found that I could make soldiers obey via punishment, but only while I was watching. I much preferred teaching, training, and rewarding. It was much slower (and messier and harder) but I didn't need to watch their every move afterward. So who is going to be the watcher of your new state after the violent overthrow? Who will be the enforcer? What will you become after adopting this cure? Guess I ought to provide some ideas for self defense: 1) Use the buddy system. That means always have one or more persons with you and/or someone who knows where you are, what you're doing, and when you should be back. 2) Have someone who you can trust (at least to some degree) and that looks, dresses, and speaks like the establishment. Such a person can check on detained individuals much easier. Also, the cops seem to be a bit more conscientious when your captivity is known and being questioned. This person must be polite but diligent. Expect not to get much cooperation. You might consider broadening the queries to other agencies that might possibly be involved. You might be surprised at the behind-the-scenes communication that goes on. 3) Try to link up with some Legal Observers in your area. The cops normally classify them as protestors too, but with a little pre-coordination and help from the ACLU, Legal Observers can become very effective in mitigating brutality. Legal Observers must be separate and distinct in order to be effective. I'm not so sure how effective they would be if found on the scene of "clearly" illegal activities, but we have had good results in borderline situations. Bad cops seem to be intimidated by a "fair witness". 4) The opposition is afraid of you, even when they out number you. They also have more weapons. You must act to reduce that fear, otherwise some trivial event will give them "cause" to unleash their anger (watch their faces, can you tell the difference between extreme fear and anger?). I've found that fear, unless suppressed by great courage, always results in escalating violence. I've come to regard violence as the physical manifestation of cowardice. The more innocent the victim, the greater the violence once it has been triggered (because they psychologically need both the dehumanizing effect of smashing your face and also the justification of a violent reaction from you).


Fbi Cia al queda lalalalaaaaaaaa
by jäänraikas kivennäisvesi ( Wed Sep 3 17:30:35 PDT 2003 )

I just wanted to point out that Ghandi's thing worked becouse of the publicity it got. George Orwell 'attacks' Ghandi in one of his essays. And we must remember that Ghandi never wanted India to be separated into 2 states like it is now(india(hindu) and pakistan(muslim)). Cool site, And I'd like to add that I think anarchist or whatever must learn how to 'seduce' instead of conquer 'the oppression'.


The real problem.
by R.Schumacher ( Thu Sep 4 05:40:22 PDT 2003

In Reply to 'observer's' Post "bring down the system,then?"
by R.Schumacher ( Thu Sep 4 06:05:55 PDT 2003

change
by lazysmurff ( Thu Sep 4 12:56:50 PDT 2003

Just remember
by None Needed ( Sat Sep 6 05:39:39 PDT 2003 )

Just remember, when you choose to attack any policemen ot soldier. If you get your own dumbass shot. YOU DESERVED IT. If I pulled a fake realistic looking gun on a officer at night and get my brains sprayed all over my car interior. I would deserve it. So if the shit breaks loose and you try popping cops, be prepared to pay the price....ps..I like that Srg Knuckles fellow!



by Kevin McCauley ( Sat Sep 6 13:20:02 PDT 2003

Typical American
by outsider looking in ( Tue Sep 23 04:27:53 PDT 2003 )
Location: Ireland

any reason why the comments for this article justifying violence,by hiding it under the umbrealla of anarcism and a "revolution",far outwiegh the number of comments for any of the other discussion topics?Could it be that just like your trigger happy goverment,you Americans have itchy fingers and are willing to mould the facts around your opinios in order to justify the use of violence?You lot seem much more interested in talking about justifying violence than you do about trying to change things socially.Re-education is the way foward.The youth is the way foward.If attitudes dont change from within then they wont syat changed forever.Meantime in between time how many people will die under your justifiable violence banner?


stupidasses
by derek ( Tue Sep 23 10:54:54 PDT 2003 )

you people and your ideaologies are ludicrous. you'll never defeat, or for that matter attempt to defeat, the system that gave us all the freedoms we have today. you sleep under the blanket of freedom that our armed forces gave to us. learn to fucking appreciate it and, remember, your daddy loves you, now get over it.


gandhi is a fakin old ass
by jeff ( Tue Sep 23 12:41:38 PDT 2003 )
Location: kuala lumpur

hey .. gandhi is a liar . he didnt do anythin fer india's independence . all he did wuz put on a show . i suggest u all try 2 look further into in2 indian history n search for freedom fighthers such as kartar singh , bhagat singh , sukhdev , rajguru and udham singh .. u'll get wat i mean .. besides da ppl who fought for india in battles are being discrminated n killed by tha indian govt itself . for that search online for khalistan . i hope we all will be strong n fight da good fight till d end of time . our sacrifices will not go to waste ..


Spellcheck??
by Harvey the Badass Rabbit ( Wed Sep 24 11:32:01 PDT 2003 )

Maybe you guys could use spellcheck once and a while? Or find one of the thousands of wayward English majors out there to look over your site? Many misspellings just in the article above. Looks bad, folks, and the message is wasted.



by jeff ( Thu Sep 25 11:52:50 PDT 2003 )
Location: Kuala Lumpur

if thers lotsa misspellings .. why dont u help us fix it than juz giving ur comments ? about my article up ther .. those misspellings r a style ppl use online . it helps us type less :)


Response to Dumbasses
by Ryan ( Thu Sep 25 18:32:25 PDT 2003 )

Thanks for that comment. I also would like to add that our country still faces oppression in sexism, racism, and homophobia. Have you ever researched anything on this topic? Maybe you should also look into the Patriot Act. Everything we do is at the expense of another human being. The only blanket here is the one that you're under. Don't let them pull the wool over your eyes. You're America isn't free, and they don't care about us.


where my soldeirs at?
by shh ( Thu Sep 25 22:50:57 PDT 2003 )

WANTED: people with security/self-defense experience, for assistance in creating a protection/security school aimed at regular working class folks. Please no felons as this will create a serious problem with the BATF and other agencies, since application for a Class 2 or 3 i a necessity. potential instructors mut be willing to live on training grounds for at least 8 months out of the year, and at this early stage, should expect not be paid as well as many other security agencies/ facilities. Any input or advice regarding contacts or friendly groups is greatly appreciated.


here are your soldiers
by Sgt. Knuckles ( Fri Sep 26 19:52:55 PDT 2003 )

Yeah Ill volenteer. I have 4 years active duty experence in the 101st abn as an infantryman (ie death tech) let me know when and where and I will gladly whip you fuckers into shape. Sgt. Knuckles


buncha stuff to say
by Dark Spiral ( Mon Sep 29 21:52:49 PDT 2003 )

Violent revolution IS almost terrorism, but mostly terrorism to a state and those who are addicted to the state. If/When the next revolution comes around a shitload of americans won't survive the change over. The disclaimers are there for this sites safety, the gov't can arrest you for dissemination of information, specially after Columbine and now Sept 11. If you sound like a terrorist you are one. Violent vs peaceful revolution is a good debate. Depends on what system you're working with and what you want. America has bred people to be passive and just say ok. My definition of non-violent revolution is when you hand out propoganda. To shh, if you're really serious about the self-defense place let me know. I have no official experiance, but I really want to get into the field. Hell, if i can't help I'll be one of your first customers.


if you're interested
by shh ( Thu Oct 2 20:24:47 PDT 2003 )

i guess you didn't respond. i barely even remeber when i posted that thing about the sec school, and i guess no one else does, either. of course, it could be that you're just a little paranoid due to all the heat this site has been getting, but i'm not talking about some armed insurrection like half of you, but you'd better believe i'm not on here do discuss the merits of peaceful protest. what i'm dealing with is trying to set up peaceful communities by way of organizing security forces for said communities preferably staffed by members of said communities. confused? don't be, it's real simple. those guys who are working minimum wage are the target, but even better are the cats hustling or bending the law. they got two choices: stop the bullshit and get involved, or stop the bull and get the fuck out of the area. whatever the case, i need to let ya'll know that was a test to see how strong of a response i could get. I'm currently out of country, but am seious about my inquiry. Repeat, it's not happening now, just wanted to see if this was a good site to come to to post an offer, since i assumed there would be some "militant" folks who might understand the concept of a community-run security force. sorry if i let anyone down, i may try again when the camp/training center is all set. but no promises.


reply to Ryan
by Derek ( Thu Oct 2 20:25:53 PDT 2003 )

Is it the government's fault that gays, women, and minorities are oppressed? No, it is the people of this glorious country. Furthermore, the PATRIOT Act was written and passed in legislation because of terrorists, who weren't loved enough by their parents or they were loved much too much, like yourself and the ones responsible for attacks on the USA. And if you say that the PATRIOT Act violates your rights, than A) you are sadly mistaken or B) you are a terrorist. Because, if you would read the PATRIOT Act you would realize that it clearly states they will intrude only on activity that is terroristic. When you say that, "Everything we do is at the expense of another human being," I really did not understand what you were trying to get across. If you were talking about the armed forces then I have to say that, yes, you are half right. But, Ryan, the people (including:gays, women, and minorities) that are enlisted in the military all sign up at their own will and recognize their duties as such.


regarding the disclaimers
by    ( Sat Oct 4 14:26:07 PDT 2003 )

regarding the disclaimers freedom of speech is not what some believe it to be and disclosure of some information " speech " can have dire consequences , nothing is absolute , including freedom dont worry , your going to die , no matter what you believe , then you'll be free of all of this



by Reinhardt ( Mon Oct 6 00:35:03 PDT 2003 )

All u commi-anarcho scum very soon find themselves in detention camps. Sucking my dick.


It's all about WHAT you're defending
by john-A- ( Sun Oct 12 17:14:44 PDT 2003 )

While I believe that there is a time and a place for violent, self-defense, revolutionary tactics, I don't agree with the insurgent type idea of "building on the ashes of the empire" or whatever. The focus should be on building a better society, not once the current one is destroyed but rather once the current one has been undermined by grassroots organization. THAT is something to defend by any means necessary. The idea that everything will be all good once we overthrow the government is stupid and blatantly communist. Anarchists need to read their history and understand that you can't build something on shaky foundations. I just finished reading a classic by George Orwell called Homeage to Catalonia. It's Orwell's personal accounts of the Spanish Civil War, and he makes very clear the process that the communists used to stiffle anarchists and dissent and in his words: "make sure that the revolution never actually happened". Also, please consider that if you spend all of your time fighting the police instead of building alternatives to the police state, then the cops are the ones who really win. Oh yeah, there are lots of communists out there that have insurgent ideas, I reccomend that you don't work with them at any cost and be sure to criticise their half-baked pathologies whenever you can. solidArity!


Difference Between Tactics and Revolution
by ReaperMan ( Tue Oct 14 16:51:39 PDT 2003

fuck terrorists
by daniel ( Fri Oct 31 13:08:11 PST 2003 )

america has to learn to stay out of everyone's fucken business but what those rag heads do to everyone is just religous fundimentalism. They want everyone to believe what they believe, just like america, the wars in the middle east will never be won.


but you see...thats not true
by nonstopguerrilla ( Sun Jan 11 04:39:33 MET 2004 )

but the thing is....the so called "terrorists" don't want everyone to be followers of islam, they just want the U.S. to leave them alone and stop terrorizing them (as do most other countries). america=#1 terrorist


we cannot use violence as a way to end this
by crazed monkey ( Mon Jan 12 20:13:09 MET 2004

If that's the world you want...
by Pedro ( Wed Jan 14 18:35:52 MET 2004 )

Despite all the disclaimers, this article is obviously pro-violence. it doesn't tell you how to defend yourself, but how to respond... If that is the you you want to change the world, that's fine, but remember that then violence is the weapon with which you are building your "new world". you are talking about man's lives, which deserv your respect, even if they don't know what they are doing... the cops aren't the opressors, they don't even know they are!!! those over them are the opressors. but the targets of violence will allways be those in below, those that i thought you wanted to free I'd rather have a world where people discuss ideas. Those who have no arguments are the one's who use violence. I believe in man, so i believe in the reason that is within each one of us. Some of you are saying that there were no succesful revolutions withou violence. I believe indian revolution was one. At least it had lesser blood than most of them. but i'm not here to talk about india, because a have an example of succesful revolution. I am Portuguese. Untill 1974, Portugal was an dictatorial state. In 25th April 1974, revolution came to street. No man died. No one was even hurt. About the "freedom of speach" you were talking about, let me tell you something, you have the right to say whatever you want but within certain limits. you aren't free to kill someone, are you? no, and you aren't also free to incite people to do it. the article anyway didn't told us to do it. But it promoted violence. that's not very diferent... and it isn't wise at all... pedro (for the true revolution- the revolution starts in your heart, and finishes in your mind).


Terrorism
by Monk ( Thu Jan 22 00:57:19 MET 2004

Township Rebellion
by ratm ( Tue Feb 17 15:02:02 MET 2004 )

Rebel, rebel and yell 'Cause our people still dwell in hell Locked in a cell Yes, the structure's a cell Mad is the story I tell How long can we wait? Come on, seein' what's at stake Action for reaction If your mind's in a somewhat complacent state Get a check up This is a stick up Our freedom or your life Lord, I wish I could be peacful But there can be no sequel Now freedom must be fundamental In Johannesburg or South Central On the mic, 'cause someone should tell 'em To kick in the township rebellion Yeah, what about that, sucker? Yeah, so you thought you could get with the hardlines That fill your mind Thoughts, battles fought And lessons taught Yes I'll display the fitness And flip like a gymnast Raise my fist and resist Asleep, though we stand in the midst Of a war Gotta get mine Gotta get more Keepin' the mic warm against the norm 'Cause what does it offer me? I think often it's nothin' but a coffin Gotta get wreck Till our necks never swing on a rope From here to the cape of no hope Now freedom must be fundamental In Johannesburg or South Central On the mic, 'cause someone should tell 'em To kick in the township rebellion Why stand on a silent platform? Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Why stand on a silent platform? Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm What's it gonna take? Euuurrrggghhhhh! Shackle their minds when they're bent on the cross When ignorance reigns, life is lost Shackle their minds when they're left on the cross When ignorance reigns, life is lost Shackled our minds when we're bent on the cross When ignorance reigns, life is lost Shackled our minds when we're left on the cross When ignorance reigns, life is lost, lost, lost! Shackle your minds and you're left on the cross! When ignorance reigns, life is lost! Just shackle your minds when you're bent on the cross! When ignorance reigns, life is lost, lost! Why stand on a silent platform? Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm Fight the war, fuck the norm


Self Defense
by Black Fox ( Fri Feb 20 06:54:14 MET 2004 )

Self Defense is not terrorism. Where in the hell in all the Constitution does it saids we have the right to let our government beat our asses because self defense. Sherman had the right to freedom of speech, and press and he didn't break any laws. The government lets the klan have it's rallys and they don't call that terrorism. Justice is not blind, she's sees very clear and the "scales of justice" are one sided.


is anyone here still
by nightmare ( Tue May 25 03:53:55 MET DST 2004


by dr_despondency ( Thu Jun 3 04:12:08 MET DST 2004

TERRORISM
by Sabbah the Assasin ( Fri Jul 16 23:20:05 MET DST 2004 )

THE FUCKING AMERICANS SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS TERRORIST IS YOUR OWN PRODUCT OF MONOPOLY AND SANCTIONS ON THE COUNTRIES IN WHICH YOU DESPERATELY WANT TO CONTROL,THE FACT THAT THE GOVERMENTS ARE CONTROLLED BY AMERICA,SO TERRORISM IS THE ONLYWAY TO FIGHT OPPRESSING BASTARDS WHO WANT TO TAKE THEIR OIL,MONOPOLIZE THEIR BUISNESS,KILL THEIR PEAPLO,TURN THEM TO PROSTITUTES,SPREAD YOUR FUCKING RELIGION,BRAIN WASH OUR BRAINS WITH AMERICAN TV PROPAGANDA,EAT SHIT AMERICA,YOU GOT ALMOST 1/2 THE WORLD OIL YOUR SELF,HOW MUCH OIL IS COMING OUT OF TAXES AND ALASKA AND OIL RIGS IN THE PACIFIC OCEANS,YOU BASTARDS WANT TO MONOPOLIZE THE OIL AND SELL THE OIL IN YOUR OWN PRICE,TYPICALL AMERICAN BASTARDS,WHY DONT YOU LOOK AT THE WHITE HOUSE BEFORE YOU TELL ME YOU AINT RACIST,DONT GIVE ME THIS SHIT ABOUT LIBERATION,HYPOCRISY IS THE WORSE THING THAT YOU AMERICANS ARE ALL ABOUT...THERES MORE TO YOUR PILE OF SHIT,THIS IS THE MINOR PART THATS LEFT TO SAID,ILL MAKE THIS SHORT ENOUGH FOR YAAA...FUCK AMERICA THE FUCKING NO1 SOURCE OF PORN AND FUCKING PROSTITUTION AND RIGHES CRIMINALS IN THE WORLD,CELEB SCAMS AND GUN BLAZING VIOLENCE AND SHIT,POLITICS AND ESPECIALLY HYPOCRISY YOU CULTURE STEALER AMERICA!


Quit Being Morons
by Some Guy ( Sun Jul 18 09:35:36 MET DST 2004 )

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by R. Malloy ( Thu Nov 11 15:31:27 MET 2004 )

It should be obvious to all who the master terrorists are. The Amerikan government. Only the piece of shit white Christians would deny it.


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by Denise ( Sun Dec 25 03:12:27 CET 2005

terrorist want you dead
by fred ( Tue Dec 27 12:04:24 CET 2005 )

terrorist want you dead. we did leave them alone ,but thay killed our people anyway so if you think leaving them alone is the answer than your sorely misstaken



by Fiona ( Wed Dec 28 22:17:40 CET 2005 )

This is true...America sits there and accuses everyone else of terrorism yet they cannot look beyond themselves...the police parade around supporting this system and think that they can just beat the shit out of anyone they please...it isn't wrong for us to fight back, yet when we do we get accused of police brutality...and even if we don't speak they still harass us...I hope there's a revolution soon...



by Fiona ( Wed Dec 28 22:29:26 CET 2005 )

This is true...America sits there and accuses everyone else of terrorism yet they cannot look beyond themselves...the police parade around supporting this system and think that they can just beat the shit out of anyone they please...it isn't wrong for us to fight back, yet when we do we get accused of police brutality...and even if we don't speak they still harass us...I hope there's a revolution soon...


response to fred
by Mind_Cemetary ( Thu Dec 29 00:27:26 CET 2005 )

If you sincerely think that Amerikkka did nothing to provoke the 9/11 attacks, then you really do not know a damn thing about the history of your own country's foreign policy.


response to fred
by Mind_Cemetary ( Thu Dec 29 00:34:04 CET 2005 )

If you sincerely think that Amerikkka did nothing to provoke the 9/11 attacks, then you really do not know a damn thing about the history of your own country's foreign policy.



by fiona ( Thu Dec 29 05:49:03 CET 2005 )

If you're talking to me I never said they didn't...



by fiona ( Thu Dec 29 06:04:31 CET 2005 )

Im an idiot and never read your headiing...sorry mind_cemetary...I completely agree with you...


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by myself ( Fri Jun 2 16:24:53 CEST 2006 )

well where to begin, i've been reading the collection of comments on this page and it sounds like there are a nice collection of people on both sides of the situation. we have the patriotic idiots, and the terroristic people. i myself am purely anarchist. i believe in a soceity of total and absolute freedom. where words are words and should be taken as such. i'll admit it i'm not white, i'm of a mixed origion i have recieved the death threats from the neo-nazis and all that shit on the other hand a few of my closest friends have been involved in that group. so it's like what the fuck ever. threats are just words. like this comment. however i'm completely opposed to censorship in any sort and i believe that this horrid country was completely to blame for the 9/11 attacks. they have been running a muck for years in places they don't belong. look at canada and mexico if you don't believe me. whens the last time you heard about either of them having a terrorist presence or a bombing? correct awnser is that you don't cause they haven't in a long long time. why is that? cause they don't routinely go invading of other places. the people there as a whole are smarter and encouraged to think for themselves. which coincidentally is a huge problem here. people are stupified my the media which of corse is controlled by the federal government ie. the FCC. people are controlled by stupid pointless television shows and movies that portray a alternative realtiy which blinds people to the fact that important descisions are being made for them without their knowledge. it's important to everyone everywhere to stop watching telecision and start reading again. it enhances your imagionation and allows you time to see things around you. did you know that advertisers on television spend billions yearly to research how to control your perceptions to more or less force you to buy their products. again it's all about the power. honestly, i wouldn't be suprised at all if the fbi came to my door one of these days claiming i was a terrorist because i don't believe in this stupid hypocritcal country. however to those of you that say "if you don't like it then leave" think about it for a second. the usa just closed it's borders to mexico recently claiming it wants to keep mexicans out well it's also designed to keep americans in. same deal with canada. they recently enacted a bill saying that you are not permitted to denounce your citizenship to america and migrate to canada. in fact if you look into it you will see that canada has locked it's borders as well which i firmly believe is under pressure from the UN and the usa as a safety issue since they share the largest border with this shit hole. so "if you don't like it then leave" doesn't work anymore. we are all captive here now it's like a giant prison noone can come or go anymore.


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yo guys, i agree with everything your saying absolutly and completely, but lets put one thing out there, and im not saying it doesn't exist, because it does to a disgusting extent, but the real problem here is classism, i mean im a white teenager and i've had more trouble with police, judges, etc. than any coloured person i know, where im from its almost all white people, and so its not a descrimination of colour, its all of the rich people, they own the police, i've never seen a rich kid white or black be beaten by cops, but i can sport my own bruises


"To the reactionists of today we are revolutionists, but to the revolutionists of tomorrow our acts will have been those of conservatives."
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"One cannot be... anarchist without being communist... For the least idea of limitation contains already... the germs of authoritarianism." — Carlo Cafiero, with Errico Malatesta, was one of the main founders of the Italian anarchist movement.


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we have a right to fight back
by revoltnow ( )

to YOUR FRIEND: I do agree with your opinion on using nonviolence and civil disobedience as a tactict. But I also agree that we have a right to defend ourselves. If we are peacefully protesting with a permit to do so, the police will most likely be dressed in full riot gear and form a freedom cage on here. they might order us to disperse they might not. but if we have the right to practice civil disobedience and we disobey their orders, they'll attack us. once they do so we have the right to defend ourselves by any means nessecary. just the fact that there are 200 cops in full riot gear trapping you and ordering you to disperse is enough to make me riot. Cops are supposed to be at protests to keep peace, now the only reason they're here is to start a riot themselves and blame it on the protesters. Everyone shoud educate themselves on self-defense so when the time comes we will know what to do.


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